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JimmyNeutron · Sep 26, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Assuming your casting the spell on yourself...

Which one is better for energy gain overall? I would think BS since you gain energy from any types of attacks. Essence Bond only gives you energy if it is a physical attack or elemental attack.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Teutonic Paladin · Sep 26, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron

Which one is better for energy gain overall? I would think BS since you gain energy from any types of attacks. Essence Bond only gives you energy if it is a physical attack or elemental attack.

You just answered your own question dude. However, Essence Bond is better for energy since it's targettable.

Trylo · Sep 26, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

balth spirit affects the person you cast it on (gives them energy).

essence bond affects you when the person you cast it on takes physical/elemental damage. it also does not trigger damage from bonding iirc.

so it kinda depends on the situation. if you have a tank, you could essence bond them and get lots of energy yourself while staying far away. you could life bond the tank, then balth yourself to get a similar effect, and balth the tank so he has (infinite) energy too.

but yea if youre casting it on yourself balth wins b/c it triggers on 0 damage.

MercenaryKnight · Sep 26, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

They stated both will be cast upon themself. I never even knew there was a difference between the 2. Besides of course adrenaline gain from bs.

I would assume that balths spirit will be the better if you could only have one. But then again I am a noob so what do I know lol.

Pierce the Anger · Sep 26, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron

Assuming your casting the spell on yourself...

Which one is better for energy gain overall? I would think BS since you gain energy from any types of attacks. Essence Bond only gives you energy if it is a physical attack or elemental attack.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

WOW Scooby,.... you say it as if physical and elemental dmg are not common and other types must include then what?...holy and chaos?..... wow.... got to watch out for them thar smiters and chaos mesmer wands..omg you think the rare dmg from smite dmg and chaos is gonna matter... Physical and Elemental dmg... accounts for what 95 % of all dmg produced in game...wtf noob

-Lotus- · Sep 26, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

if you are casting it on yourself then BS wins. energy on any type of damage plus a little bonus adrenaline. its good.

Nanood · Sep 26, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

BS also triggers on 0 dmg to you! Another reason it's the winner

gaweph · Sep 26, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by Pierce the Anger

WOW Scooby,.... you say it as if physical and elemental dmg are not common and other types must include then what?...holy and chaos?..... wow.... got to watch out for them thar smiters and chaos mesmer wands..omg you think the rare dmg from smite dmg and chaos is gonna matter... Physical and Elemental dmg... accounts for what 95 % of all dmg produced in game...wtf noob

Where did this flame come from...

if you read what the guy says, you will notice that he states that BS works for all damage, even if this is only 5% of teh damage, it doesnt matter how much damage, we are talking energy gain, and so 100% is better than 95% isnt it?

You seriously need to change your attitude my man.

So if BS gives energy for every type of damage taken(and also gives adrenaline) then it is better to use, but both are super similar if cast on yourself, and you wont really notice the difference.

Killed u man · Sep 26, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by gaweph

Where did this flame come from...

if you read what the guy says, you will notice that he states that BS works for all damage, even if this is only 5% of teh damage, it doesnt matter how much damage, we are talking energy gain, and so 100% is better than 95% isnt it?

You seriously need to change your attitude my man.

So if BS gives energy for every type of damage taken(and also gives adrenaline) then it is better to use, but both are super similar if cast on yourself, and you wont really notice the difference.

[SpiteFull Spirit]
Any Armor ignoring spell ([Obsidian Flame], ...)
[Life Bond]

don't give you energy back.

Any type of wand that does either Chaos, Dark or holy damage won't net you any energy aswell.

So pretty much ANY mesmer, necro or Monk (Besides the fire wand) won't give you energy when taking [Essence Bond]. Imo, this stretches far beyond the random 5%. (I don't know exact values, noone does, but my estimation, about 20-30% of GW damage will NOT be Elemental or Physical)

JimmyNeutron · Sep 26, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Thanks Everyone for your comments and help! and I think Pierce the Anger woke up on the wrong side of the bed or must be that time of the month again...you know?

I'm asking this primary for a 600 Monk. I'm trying to determine if I can do without Essence Bond and swap in Pain Inverter or MoResolve where there are lots of interrupts.

So far, I was able to 600/Smite(duo team only) HoS using BS only and dropping Essence Bond using this build:
[build]OwIS8YIP3VtY9IigcAAAE5B[/build]

When facing Ominous Ooze, I swap in a Divine Headpiece for 16 on Divine and cast SQ follow by SB. This will make SB have a downtime of only 1 sec.

Arcane echo will work better, but cost 15 energy and 2 sec cast time vs SQ of 5 energy and 0 cast time.

Anyways, I'm going to test out Rragar, Kathandrax, SoO, CoF, and other dungeons as well using just BS.

Thanks again!

odly · Sep 26, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

When you're the one taking damege, then Balthasar's is better. But you can also take both...

Age · Sep 27, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

It all depends on what you are going to be doing bonding BS and you don't really need EB to regain energy back if you manage it properly.Farming you could use both but mostly BS.

Snorph · Sep 28, 2008, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Ya when you bond, stay way way back,

I found that out the hard way. Bonding is good if you learn to stay back as far as possible.